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  • FOLKS, YOU KNOW MY FIRST GUEST AS THE EMMY AWARDWINNING HOST OF

  • MSNBC'S "ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES."

  • PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW," CHRIS HAYES!

  • ♪ ♪ ♪ ( APPLAUSE )

  • WELCOME BACK.

  • NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

  • >> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

  • >> Stephen: DID YOU GET ANY SLEEP LAST NIGHT OR WERE YOU UP

  • CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS ALL NIGHT ON WHAT HAPPENED ON SUPER

  • TUESDAY?

  • >> I WAS UP UNTIL 4:00 A.M.

  • THE PROBLEM WITH DOING A 1:00 A.M. SHOW IS YOU HAVE TO

  • CAFFEINATE -- >> Stephen: YOUR 1:00 A.M.

  • SHOW WAS LIVE?

  • >> WE WERE LIVE AT 1:00 A.M.

  • THIS MORNING.

  • >> Stephen: DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CALIFORNIA YET?

  • >> WE HAD A PICTURE.

  • WE KNEW SANDERS WAS GOING TO WIN ABOUT NINE OR 10 POINTS AND COME

  • OUT WITH A NET DELEGATE LEAD FROM CALIFORNIA BUT NOT THE

  • PARTICULAR S.

  • >> Stephen: STILL, 24 HOURS LATER, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY

  • WHAT THE RESULTS ARE.

  • >> AND WE PROBABLY WON'T KNOW THE FINAL, FINAL RESULTS IN

  • CALIFORNIA FOR MAYBE A WEEK.

  • >> Stephen: WHY?

  • THEY HAVE ADDING MACHINES IN CALIFORNIA.

  • >> I KNOW -- >> Stephen: IT'S NOT A CAUCUS.

  • WE KNOW IOWA WAS-- WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

  • >> I HAVE HAD CALIFORNIANS-- I HAVE HAD CALIFORNIANS EXPLAIN

  • THIS TO ME SOMEWHAT DEFENSIVELY, AND I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.

  • THEY JUST TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME TO COUNT VOTES THERE.

  • >> Stephen: WEED IS LEGAL THERE.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO

  • WITH IT.

  • >> Stephen: BIDEN HAD A HUGE SUPER TUESDAY.

  • >> BIG NIGHT.

  • VERY BIG NIGHT.

  • >> Stephen: DID YOU SEE THIS COMING?

  • AND KEEP IN MIND THE ANSWER IS NO.

  • ( LAUGHTER ).

  • >> I KIND OF DID.

  • I MEAN, LOOK, I TALKED TO -- >> Stephen: REALLY?

  • >> I HAD NO IDEA.

  • I DIDN'T SEE IT COMING.

  • NEXT QUESTION.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT MADE YOU SEE IT COMING BECAUSE--

  • >> I TALKED TO A POLLSTER-- MONDAY NIGHT I TALKED TO A

  • POLLSTER WHO HAD BEEN IN THE FIELD WITH A POLL SORT OF THAT

  • DAY, THAT SUNDAY AND MONDAY, BECAUSE MONDAY WAS THE DAY

  • BUTTIGIEG AND KLOBUCHAR AND BETO ALL ENDORSED WHO SAID, "LOOK THE

  • NUMBERS WE'RE SEEING ARE CRAZY, THE MOVEMENT IN BIDEN'S

  • DIRECTION.

  • HE'S GOING TO HAVE A VERY BIG DAY TOMORROW."

  • >> Stephen: SO SOUTH CAROLINA REALLY DID MAKE ALL THE

  • DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

  • >> YES, IT DID, IT DID.

  • >> Stephen: WOW?

  • >>.

  • ISN'T THIS KIND OF A STRANGE POLITICAL SYSTEM WHERE ONE STATE

  • MAKES THAT TURN.

  • HE LOST THRE IN A ROW.

  • WHY DIDN'T THOSE THREE SINK HIM?

  • WHY DID ONE BRING HIM BACK?

  • >> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

  • THE AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTERS ARE THE CORE BASE OF THE DEMOCRATIC

  • PARTY.

  • AND THERE'S NO WAY TO WIN THE NOMINATION WITHOUT LARGE SUPPORT

  • BY BLACK VOTERS.

  • AND SO, THERE WAS A KIND OF SIGNAL THERE SENT WHEN BLACK

  • VOTERS VOTED SO OVERWHELMINGLY FOR JOE BIDEN ABOUT WHAT HIS

  • PROSPECTS WERE GOING FORWARD.

  • NUMBER TWO, THERE'S A A LOT OF PRIMARY VOTERS.

  • NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT I WOULD EVEN SAY THE MAJORITY, WHO JUST

  • FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN A TEST QUESTION THEY DON'T HAVE

  • THE ANSWER TO WHICH IS, WHO IS BEST TO BEAT TRUMP?"

  • AND THEY'RE GOING AROUND SAYING, "I DON'T KNOW.

  • I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL."

  • PEOPLE ASK ME.

  • "WHO SHOULD I VOTE FOR."

  • AND I SAID, "VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT."

  • AND THEY SAY, "I WANT BARACK OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT."

  • >> Stephen: THE CLOSEST YOU CAN GET.

  • >> I CAN'T HELP YOU THERE.

  • BUT THIS IDEA THAT PEOPLE WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR SIGNALS FROM

  • PEOPLE ABOUT SOME-- SIGNAL ABOUT WHO WOULD BE THE PERSON-- GLI

  • HEARD A FEW THINGS THERE THAT OBAMA WAS SENDING SIGNALS THAT

  • HE THOUGHT IT WAS JOE.

  • >> I DON'T KNOW.

  • I THINK-- I MEAN, LOOK -- >> Stephen: SUSAN RICE

  • ENDORSED JOE.

  • AND THEY WERE LIKE, "THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF OBAMA

  • HADN'T GIVEN THE HIGH SIGN.

  • >> I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, ACTUALLY.

  • THE ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THIS IS THERE'S CLEARLY

  • SKEPTICISM TOWARDS BERNIE SANDERS BY THE-- BY THE KIND OF

  • MAINSTREAMPARTY ELITE, RIGHT, THE FOLKS THAT SERVE IN THE

  • OBAMA ADMINISTRATION -- >> Stephen: AND MSNBC.

  • >> YES.

  • >> Stephen: SOME PEOPLE ON YOUR NETWORK SHOULD BE

  • MEDICATED.

  • >> SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE ALSO SKEPTICAL.

  • >> Stephen: YES.

  • >> I THINK A LOT OF THOSE FEARS ON THE ELECTABILITY FRONT ARE

  • ACTUALLY QUITE OVERSTATED.

  • I ACTUALLY THINK THE DATA THAT WE HAVE SHOWS THAT I THINK

  • SANDERS AND BIDEN WOULD BOTH BE VERY COMPETITIVE AGAINST TRUMP.

  • >> Stephen: AND AFTER 2016 ANYBODY WHO SAYS THEY KNOW

  • ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING IS LYING.

  • AND ACTUALLY, THEY WERE ALWAYS LYING.

  • WE JUST FOUND OUT IN 2016.

  • >> YES MY BIG TAKEAWAY FROM 2016 IS HUMILITY ABOUT THE FUTURE,

  • WHICH IS UNWRITTEN.

  • WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, AND IT'S SORT OF A BAD PUNDIT TENDENCY,

  • WHATEVER JUST HAPPENED, EXTRAPOLATE THE LINE OUT

  • FOREVER.

  • "BIDEN WON YESTERDAY!

  • IT'S OVER.

  • BERNIE NEEDS TO DROP OUT!" EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CALM DOWN.

  • >> Stephen: BIDEN HAD A BIG NIGHT.

  • WILL HE END UP OUT OF THIS AS THE DELEGATE LEADER?

  • >> HE.

  • >> Stephen: WILL WOW, THAT'S PRETTY BIG.

  • IS THAT IT?

  • BIDEN, HE'S DOMINANT, HE NEVER GIVES UP THE LEAD, AND DOES

  • BERNIE HAVE A CHANCE?

  • KEEP IN MIND THE ANSWER IS YES.

  • >> I'M GOING TO START DOING ALL MY INTERVIEWS THIS WAY.

  • >> Stephen: YOU SHOULD.

  • >> ONCE YOU GET A DELEGATE LEAD IT IS HARD TO GIVE IT UP BECAUSE

  • OF THE WAY THAT PROPORTIONAL DELEGATE ALLOCATION WORKS.

  • >> Stephen: HAS ANYONE EVER HAD THE DELEGATE LEAD AFTER

  • SUPER TUESDAY AND THEN NOT GOTTEN IT?

  • NOT IN THE LAST TWO COMPETITIVE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES, WHICH ARE

  • THE CLOSEST APPLES TO APPLES.

  • BARACK OBAMA EMERGED FROM A SMALLER SUPER TUESDAY IN 2008

  • WITH A NARROW 13-DELEGATE LEAD, AND HIS CAMPAIGN ISSUED A VERY

  • AUDACIOUS MEMO SAYING, "WE LOOKED AT THE MAP.

  • WE HAVE A LEAD AND WE'RE NOT GIVING IT UP."

  • IT WAS A BIT MUCH AT THE TIME.

  • >> Stephen: A LITTLE BALLSY.

  • >> THE PROBLEM FOR SANDERS IS IN ORDER TO GET-- TO OVERCOME THAT

  • LEAD HE NEEDS STATES WHERE HE HAS BLOW-OUTS BECAUSE FIGHTING

  • TO ROUGH PARITY DOESN'T HELP YOU CLAW BACK THE DELEGATES.

  • THAT SAID, I WILL SAY THIS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT: THERE WAS

  • A REASON THAT IT TOOK SO LONG FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT AND OTHER

  • FOLKS TO CONSOLIDATE BEHIND JOE BIDEN.

  • THE REASON WAS THEY WERE UNDER-WHELMED BY HIS

  • CAMPAIGNING.

  • >> Stephen: YEAH.

  • OR LACK OF CAMPAIGNING.

  • >> THEY LOOKED AT HIM AND SAY THEY SAID, "THIS DOESN'T SEEM

  • GREAT.

  • THIS-- THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE GREAT CAMPAIGNING.

  • I LOVE JOE"-- I'M SPEAKING IN THE VOICE OF THESE PEOPLE NOW.

  • "I LOVE JOE.

  • I THINK HE'S GREAT.

  • I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS.

  • I DON'T KNOW."

  • THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THERE IS STILL MORE CAMPAIGNING

  • TO DO.

  • >> Stephen: YES.

  • >> AND THE FEARS THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY JUST

  • GONE AWAY BECAUSE HE'S CONSOLIDATED THIS SUPPORT.

  • >> Stephen: I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT BERNIE

  • SANDERS SAYING, "I COULDN'T-- I COULDN'T VOTE FOR JOE."

  • AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE WHO WANTED JOE GOING, "I JUST DON'T SEE

  • MYSELF VOTING FOR BERNIE SANDERS."

  • WHO DO YOU THINK IS LESS LIKELY-- OR IS MORE LIKELY TO BE

  • FRACTIOUS ABOUT THIS?

  • >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER ABOUT THAT.

  • I AGREE.

  • THERE ARE POOLS OF VOTERS IN EACH COALITION --

  • >> Stephen: OR IS THAT OVERSTATED?

  • THE SORT OF THING YOU SAY DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

  • IT'S NEVER SAY DIE THE ENTIRE TIME.

  • BUT IS ANY DEMOCRAT REALLY GOING TO GO INTO A VOTING BOOTH ON

  • NOVEMBER 3, IF IT'S NOT THE GUY THEY SUPPORTED AND LOOK AT THOSE

  • TWO BUTTONS AND GO, "YOU KNOW WHAT?

  • I THINK A LITTLE MORE TRUMP, THANK YOU VERY MUCH."

  • "THANK YOU, SIR, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER."

  • >> RIGHT.

  • >> Stephen: YES.

  • >> AS YOU SUGGEST, THEY THIK HISTORY POLLING AND THE NATURE

  • OF TRUMP ALL SUGGEST THAT A VERY OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE OF THOSE

  • VOTERS WILL VOTE FOR THE NOMINEE.

  • BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THE MARGINS MATTER, RIGHT.

  • THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 82% OF SANDERS VOTERS VOTING FOR JOE

  • BIDEN, OR 82% OF BIDEN VOTERS VOTING FOR SANDERS.

  • WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT IT DOES MEAN CONSOLIDATING

  • UNITY AN SUPPORT DOWN THE STRETCH, STITCHING TOGETHER A

  • COALITION THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TORN APART IS GOING TO BE KEY.

  • >> Stephen: THIS IS SOMETHING THEY-- I KNOW THAT IS IMPORTANT,

  • BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT OR I WENT TO BED BEFORE YOU GUYS

  • STARTED GETTING THE INFORMATION ON IT LAST NIGHT, IS HOW WAS

  • VOTER TURNOUT?

  • LAST NIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST INDICATION OF WHAT THE

  • ENTHUSIASM WAS ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE?

  • >> IT WAS HIGH.

  • IT WAS VERY HIGH.

  • IN VIRGINIA, SUFFICIENCY RECORD-SETTING TURNOUT --

  • >> Stephen: I HEARD HIGHER THAN 2008 WITH OBAMA.

  • >> HIGHER THAN 2008.

  • >> Stephen: WOW.

  • >> HUGE TURNOUT IN VIRGINIA.

  • BIG TURNOUT BOOST-- THERE ARE A BUNCH OF STATES WE DON'T HAVE

  • APPLES-TO-APPLES COMPARISONS BECAUSE THEY HAD CAUCUSES AND

  • NOW THEY'RE PRIMARIES. BUT IT TURNS OUT WHEN YOU REPLACE A

  • CAUCUS WITH A PRIMARY YOU GET A LOT MORE VOTERS.

  • IN A PLACE LIKE COLORADO I THINK YOU HAD 300% HIGHER TURNOUT.

  • ACROSS THE BOARD, LAST NIGHT LOOKED PRETTY GOOD-- PRETTY GOOD

  • TO VERY GOOD FROM A TURNOUT PERSPECTIVE.

  • >> Stephen: ARE THERE-- ( APPLAUSE )

  • >> THANK YOU!

  • I PERSONALLY MADE IT HAPPEN.

  • >> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK, AND I

  • KNOW YOU HAVE TO GO DO YOUR SHOW, BUT IF YOU CAN HANG OUT WE

  • WILL DO SOME MORE WITH CHRIS HAYES.

  • STICK AROUND.

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