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00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,260 Every January, more than 10,000 economists
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fly somewhere in America for the conference of the American
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Economics Association.
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This year it was in San Diego, which was fun,
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because it was very easy to tell who was a San Diegan
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and who was an economist.
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The conference is also a way to figure out what
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economists are worried about.
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This year they looked west across the Pacific Ocean,
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and they worried about something they call Japanification.
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It's a funny term, and some people
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don't even like to use it because it
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has more than one meaning.
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It can be a shorthand for what happened
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to Japan over the last two decades
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- slow economic growth, low inflation,
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and extremely low interest rates for a long time.
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Those three facts don't give you a complete picture of what's
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actually happening in actual Japan,
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but they do terrify macroeconomists.
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And so Japanification is more often used as a way
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to point out that these things could or will
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happen to everyone else.
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I think "Japanification" is a useful term,
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and I think what it really says is that Japan is the preview
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movie for the whole rest of the world,
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especially in terms of demographics.
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So if you think about the percent of population
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that's over age 65, what that does to consumption,
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what that does to inflation, what that does to labour force
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participation.
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In Japan, the population is ageing.
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And in other developed economies,
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populations are ageing, too.
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Here's what that means.
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When you have a larger percent of the population over age 65,
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you necessarily have a lower percentage of people working.
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And what that means is you have a lower
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level of demand in the economy, and that impacts inflation.
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Inflation impacts interest rates.
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And when we have a low, what the Fed would call r-star,
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or that neutral interest rate, when that is lower,
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you have less policy space to act,
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and you need to enact other policy frameworks in order
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to effectively deploy monetary policy when growth slows
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or when there's a recession.
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The reason economists in San Diego were worried about Japan
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is not because Japan is a terrible place to live.
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Life expectancy, for example, is higher in Japan
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than in the US, the UK, Canada, and Germany.
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It's well higher than the average
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across all high-income countries.
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But when populations get older, interest rates decline,
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inflation declines, and that makes
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it harder to do monetary policy the way
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we always used to - by raising and lowering interest rates.
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So economists worried about Japanification
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don't think that Japan, the place, is a catastrophe.
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They're worried that their own central banks won't
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have any room left to cut interest rates,
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as happened in Japan.
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This is Ben Bernanke, the former chair of the Federal Reserve.
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He gave a keynote in San Diego.
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He basically said that if interest rates get
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too low in the US, as they are in Japan, when
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the next recession hits, the Fed might
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have to get more creative.
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I think the Fed and other central banks
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are caught in a very difficult position here, because
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on the one hand, they can't announce too loudly
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they have no tools left, because part
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of the magic of central banking is
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to pretend that you have a bazooka behind your back
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that you can bring out and to prevent expectations
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from disintegrating and falling.
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So it's magic.
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Maybe "Japanification" is the wrong word,
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because actual Japan is actually a nice place to live.
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And in one important way, it's a better place
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to live than the United States.
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We'd prefer not to call our problem "Japanification."
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Because?
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Because Japan does not have the problem
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that widening inequality is leading
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to the stagnation of people's incomes
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in the middle of the income distribution,
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while people in the top are growing or improving
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their situation very rapidly, whereas that's the situation
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in the United States.
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Ben Bernanke's worried about what
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low growth will do to monetary policy,
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particularly when a recession hits.
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That makes sense, because he was in charge of monetary policy
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the last time there was a devastating recession.
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But low growth and low interest rates
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don't just have monetary consequences.
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They have political consequences.
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And the irony of using the word "Japanification" is that what's
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happening to Japan, low growth, may
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be a harder problem for Washington
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to solve than it has been for Tokyo.
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Now what's the main difference between us and Japan?
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I would say the difference is that in the United States,
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as in many other industrialised countries,
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inequality is widening very rapidly.
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This means that if our rate of growth
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overall is very slow, as it is, and if inequality rising means
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that most of the fruits of that slow growth
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accrue to people who are already at the top of the scale,
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then the broad bulk of the population
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is not doing very well.
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California is a nice place to visit, certainly
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in January when you're coming from Boston or Chicago
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or Frankfurt or the kinds of places economists tend to live,
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nicer in January than, perhaps, Tokyo even.
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But what's happening in Japan, low growth,
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may be even scarier right here in San Diego
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on this side of the ocean.