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  • SANDRA, BILL?

  • >> Sandra: MIKE EMANUEL,

  • THANKS.

  • >> Bill: LET'S BRING IN

  • SENATOR TED CRUZ.

  • WELCOME BACK TO

  • "AMERICA'S NEWSROOM,"

  • GOOD MORNING TO YOU.

  • >> GOOD MORNING, BILL.

  • GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

  • >> Bill: WOULD YOU VOTE IN

  • FAVOR OF DISMISSAL?

  • >> I THINK THE SENATE HAS

  • DECIDED RATHER THAN STARTING

  • WITH DISMISSAL WILL BE ARE GOING

  • TO DO IS ALLOW BOTH SIDES TO

  • PRESENT THEIR CASE.

  • SO THE ORDER OF PROCEEDING IS

  • GOING TO BE THE EXACT SAME WAY

  • THE SENATE PROCEEDED WITH THIS

  • CLINTON IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.

  • IN OTHER WORDS, IT WILL START

  • WITH OPENING ARGUMENTS FROM THE

  • HOUSE MANAGERS, THEY WILL GET A

  • FULL AND FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO

  • PRESENT THEIR CASE, THEN IT'LL

  • MOVE TO OPENING ARGUMENTS FROM

  • THE WHITE HOUSE DEFENSE TEAM.

  • UNLIKE HOW HOUSE DEMOCRATS DID

  • IT, WE WILL GIVE THE PRESIDENT A

  • FULL AND FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO

  • PRESENT HIS CASE TO DEFEND

  • HIMSELF.

  • WE WILL THEN MOVE TO THE

  • QUESTIONS FROM SENATORS.

  • THE WAY THAT WILL WORK, THEY

  • WON'T BE ORDERLY.

  • INSTEAD, SENATORS HAVE TO WRITE

  • DOWN OUR QUESTIONS.

  • WE SUBMIT OUR QUESTIONS IN

  • WRITING AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE

  • WILL ASK THE QUESTIONS FOR US.

  • AT THAT POINT THEN, THE DEBATES

  • WILL HAPPEN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT

  • TO DISMISS THE CASE OR TO VOTE A

  • FINAL VERDICT THEN OR TO TAKE UP

  • WITNESSES.

  • I EXPECT A CONTENTIOUS DEBATE

  • DECISION, PROBABLY ABOUT TWO

  • WEEKS FROM NOW.

  • >> Bill: YOU WAITED OUT VERY

  • WELL, THEN.

  • ONCE YOU GET TO THAT POINT,

  • WOULD YOU VOTE FOR DISMISSAL?

  • >> I THINK AT THE END OF THIS

  • PROCESS, THESE ARTICLES OF

  • IMPEACHMENT ARE GOING TO BE

  • THROWN OUT.

  • I THINK EVIL AND NOT WITH A

  • DISMISSAL BUT WITH A VERDICT OF

  • NOT

  • GUILTY.

  • THE WAY IT WORKS IN THE SENATE,

  • YOU VOTE ON EACH ARTICLE AND

  • EACH SENATOR WILL VOTE EITHER

  • GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY.

  • THE REASON WHY THIS ENDS WITH AN

  • ACQUITTAL IS VERY SIMPLE.

  • THEY HAVEN'T MET THE

  • CONSTITUTIONAL THRESHOLD.

  • THE CONSTITUTION SPECIFIES, FOR

  • IMPEACHMENT OF A PRESIDENT, THAT

  • YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE BRIBERY,

  • TREASON, OR OTHER HIGH CRIMES

  • AND MISDEMEANORS.

  • THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT.

  • IN FACT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME

  • IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY

  • THAT ANY PRESIDENT HAS BEEN

  • IMPEACHED WITHOUT EVEN SO MUCH

  • AS AN ALLEGATION OF CRIMINAL

  • CONDUCT.

  • THEY HAVE NOT ALLEGED IN THESE

  • ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT THAT THE

  • PRESIDENT VIOLATED ANY CRIMINAL

  • LAW.

  • THEY HAVEN'T ALLEGED HE VIOLATED

  • A CIVIL LAW.

  • THEY HAVEN'T EVEN ALLEGED THE

  • PRESIDENT HAS A SPEEDING TICKET.

  • FOR THAT REASON, THIS DOESN'T

  • MEET THE CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARD

  • OF HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.

  • SO THE END OF THIS PROCESS WILL

  • BE AN ACQUITTAL AND I THINK

  • THAT'S PROBABLY IN ABOUT A

  • COUPLE OF WEEKS.

  • >> Bill: YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING

  • THE QUESTION YET ON DISMISSAL.

  • PERHAPS YOU DO

  • OVERTIME

  • WOULD YOU FIGURE WITNESSES IN A

  • SENATE TRIAL AFTER TODAY?

  • YES OR NO?

  • >> BILL, LET ME MAKE SURE OF

  • ANSWERING THE QUESTION ON

  • DISMISSAL.

  • I THINK THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE

  • WILL NOT BE DISMISSAL.

  • IT WILL BE AN ACQUITTAL.

  • THOSE ARE DIFFERENT OUTCOMES.

  • DISMISSAL THREE WAS THE CASE OUT

  • WITHOUT REACHING A VERDICT.

  • WE ARE GOING TO REACH A VERDICT,

  • AND THE VERDICT IS GOING TO BE

  • ACQUITTAL.

  • IT'S GOING TO BE NOT GUILTY

  • BECAUSE ON THE FACE OF IT THE

  • ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT DON'T

  • MEET THIS CONSTITUTIONAL

  • STANDARD.

  • THAT IS A MUCH BETTER OUTCOME

  • FOR THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE

  • ACQUITTED OF THESE CHARGES THAN

  • SIMPLY A DISMISSAL.

  • I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ANSWER

  • THAT QUESTION.

  • >> Bill: ON WITNESSES, DO YOU

  • FAVOR CALLING THEM?

  • YES OR NO?

  • >> THAT'S GOING TO BE, AS I

  • SAID, A HOTLY DEBATED QUESTION

  • WITHIN THE SENATE.

  • WHETHER WITNESSES GET CALLED

  • PENS ON THE 51 SENATORS, WHETHER

  • THEY WANT WITNESSES TO BE

  • CALLED.

  • MY VIEW IS, IF WE CALL

  • WITNESSES, HE NEEDS TO BE FAIR,

  • IT NEEDS TO BE EVENHANDED

  • , IT NEEDS TO RESPECT DUE

  • PROCESS.

  • THAT MEANS IF THE PROSECUTION

  • GET SCULLY WITNESS, THE DEFENSE

  • SHOULD COME AS WELL.

  • IF THE PROSECUTION GETS TO CALL

  • JOHN BOLTON, THE PRESIDENT

  • SHOULD BE ABLE TO CALL

  • HUNTER BIDEN.

  • IT OUGHT TO BE FAIR AND EVEN AND

  • RESPECT DUE PROCESS.

  • THAT'S THE WAY ANY FAIR

  • PROCEEDING SHOULD BE CONDUCTED.

  • THE HOUSE DIDN'T DO THAT.

  • THEY DIDN'T LET THE MINORITY

  • CALL WITNESSES.

  • THEY DIDN'T LET THE WHITE HOUSE

  • CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES.

  • AND SAID THEY HAD A PARTISAN

  • ONE-SIDED SHOW TRIAL.

  • THE SENATE WILL DO MUCH BETTER.

  • WHETHER THEY

  • WILL BE WITNESSES OR NOT I THINK

  • WILL BE A CLOSE

  • CALL IN THE SENATE AND WE HAVE

  • SOME OF THE VOTES ARE.

  • >> Bill: TWO MORE MINUTES, TWO

  • MORE QUESTIONS.

  • SOME OF HER COLLEAGUES --

  • LISA MURKOWSKI FROM ALASKA,

  • SUSAN COLLINS FROM MAINE, MET

  • ROMNEY OUT OF UTAH, ALL

  • REPUBLICANS -- CONVERSELY,

  • DOUG JONES OUT OF ALABAMA,

  • JOE MANCHIN, WEST VIRGINIA.

  • DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON

  • THIS ISSUE TODAY?

  • >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T.

  • I THINK YOU'VE IDENTIFIED

  • SENATORS WHO COULD POSSIBLY VOTE

  • AGAINST THE PARTY.

  • THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE FIVE MOST

  • LIKELY TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

  • WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW THINGS

  • PLAY OUT AND WHERE THEY DECIDE

  • TO VOTE.

  • >> Bill: OKAY.

  • YOU HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY AND

  • AGAIN A MOMENT AGO THAT YOU WILL

  • GIVE THIS PRESIDENT A CHANCE TO

  • DEFEND HIMSELF.

  • IN WHAT FORM OR SHAPE DOES THAT

  • OCCUR IN THE SENATE?

  • >> THE PRESIDENT HAS A LEGAL

  • TAME.

  • IT IS LED BY THE WHITE HOUSE

  • COUNSEL, PAT CIPOLLONE.

  • PAT AND HIS TEAM OF LAWYERS WILL

  • BE THERE ON THE FLOOR OF THE

  • SENATE.

  • THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT

  • OPENING ARGUMENTS, THEY WILL BE

  • ABLE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE, THEY

  • WILL BE ABLE TO CALL WITNESSES

  • IF THEY CHOOSE.

  • THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS --

  • THERE'S ALL THIS DISCUSSION

  • ABOUT WITNESSES.

  • ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO

  • REMEMBER, IT'S NOT THE SENATE

  • THAT CHOOSES TO CALL WITNESSES.

  • IT IS THE PROSECUTION OR THE

  • DEFENSE, TYPICALLY, THAT SAYS,

  • DEFENSE, TYPICALLY, THAT SAYS --

  • PAT CIPOLLONE STEPPED UP AND

  • SAYS, "WE CALL HUNTER BIDEN TO

  • THE WITNESS STAND."

  • AT THAT POINT THE SENATE

  • DECIDES, WILL WE ALLOW YOU TO DO

  • THAT?

  • BUT IT'S THE INITIAL DECISION OF

  • THE LAWYERS PROSECUTING AND

  • DEFENDING THE CASE.

  • IT'LL BE BE THE WHITE HOUSE

  • DEFENSE TEAM IN CONSULTATION

  • WITH THE PRESIDENT MAKING THOSE

  • DECISIONS.

  • >> Bill: I'M OUT OF TIME, JUST

  • THAT ONE MORE HERE.

  • BILL CLINTON'S IMPEACHMENT

  • LASTED 37 DAYS.

  • DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING NOW,

  • 57 DAYS?

  • MORE OR LESS?

  • >> I THINK IT CERTAINLY COULD.

  • IF WE GO DOWN THE ROPE

  • WITNESSES.

  • I THINK THIS CHILD COULD BE

  • BETWEEN TWO WEEKS AND SIX WEEKS.

  • THE BIG DETERMINATION ON THAT,

  • IF WE GO DOWN THE ROW OF

  • WITNESSES, HE COULD TAKE FIVE OR

  • SIX WEEKS.

SANDRA, BILL?

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