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  • YOU'RE CHAIRMAN COULD BE HERE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THIS.

  • ACTUALLY ANSWER THIS. WAS IT TARGETED TO A SINGLE

  • WAS IT TARGETED TO A SINGLE TELEPHONE NUMBER OR NUMBERS?

  • TELEPHONE NUMBER OR NUMBERS? >> WE SUBPOENAED FOR CALL

  • >> WE SUBPOENAED FOR CALL RECORDS MULTIPLE NUMBERS.

  • RECORDS MULTIPLE NUMBERS. >> HOW MANY?

  • >> HOW MANY? >> I DON'T KNOW.

  • >> I DON'T KNOW. >> NONE OF --

  • >> NONE OF -- >> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

  • >> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. >> NONE OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS,

  • >> NONE OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, NONE OF STAFF OF CONGRESS --

  • NONE OF STAFF OF CONGRESS -- >> WE'RE GETTING TO THAT.

  • >> WE'RE GETTING TO THAT. >> WE ONLY DID IT TO THE

  • >> WE ONLY DID IT TO THE SUBJECTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN

  • SUBJECTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION WHICH IS A

  • THE INVESTIGATION WHICH IS A VERY ROUTINE AND STANDARD

  • VERY ROUTINE AND STANDARD INVESTIGATION PRACTICE.

  • INVESTIGATION PRACTICE. >> AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR

  • >> AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM ME ABOUT A

  • ANYTHING FROM ME ABOUT A SUBPOENA AND THE LEGALITY OF A

  • SUBPOENA AND THE LEGALITY OF A SUBPOENA.

  • SUBPOENA. MY PROBLEM IS THIS.

  • MY PROBLEM IS THIS. WHO ON THE COMMITTEE ASKED THAT

  • WHO ON THE COMMITTEE ASKED THAT THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU ACTUALLY

  • THOSE NUMBERS THAT YOU ACTUALLY DID PUT INTO FOR A SUBPOENA AND

  • DID PUT INTO FOR A SUBPOENA AND GET THOSE NUMBERS BACK, WHO WAS

  • GET THOSE NUMBERS BACK, WHO WAS IT THAT ASKED THAT THEY BE CROSS

  • IT THAT ASKED THAT THEY BE CROSS CHECKED FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS?

  • CHECKED FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS? WHO ORDERED THAT?

  • WHO ORDERED THAT? >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW WE

  • >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW WE DID IT, SIR.

  • DID IT, SIR. >> NO, WHOA, WHOA.

  • >> NO, WHOA, WHOA. YOU CAME OUT WITH A REPORT THAT

  • YOU CAME OUT WITH A REPORT THAT SHOWED THESE PEOPLE SUCH AS

  • SHOWED THESE PEOPLE SUCH AS CHAIRMAN NUNEZ AND OTHERS WERE

  • CHAIRMAN NUNEZ AND OTHERS WERE ACTUALLY ON THESE CALLS.

  • ACTUALLY ON THESE CALLS. >> YES.

  • >> YES. >> NOW SOMEONE AND YOU AND I --

  • >> NOW SOMEONE AND YOU AND I -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY CUTE

  • WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY CUTE HERE.

  • HERE. SOMEBODY TOOK THE FOUR RECORDS

  • SOMEBODY TOOK THE FOUR RECORDS THAT YOU ASKED FOR, AT LEAST

  • THAT YOU ASKED FOR, AT LEAST FOUR, TOOK THOSE NUMBERS AND

  • FOUR, TOOK THOSE NUMBERS AND THEN SAID, HEY, LET'S PLAY MATCH

  • THEN SAID, HEY, LET'S PLAY MATCH GAME.

  • GAME. WHO ORDERED THE MATCH GAME FOR

  • WHO ORDERED THE MATCH GAME FOR MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS AND THE

  • MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESS AND THE PRESS.

  • PRESS. WAS IT YOU?

  • WAS IT YOU? >> I DON'T THINK ANYONE DID,

  • >> I DON'T THINK ANYONE DID, SIR?

  • SIR? >> THEN HOW DID YOU --

  • >> THEN HOW DID YOU -- >> THAT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS

  • >> THAT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS ITEM I EVER HEARD.

  • ITEM I EVER HEARD. YOU DON'T JUST PICK UP NUMBERS

  • YOU DON'T JUST PICK UP NUMBERS IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE

  • IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE NUMBERS TO SHOW WHERE THEY ARE

  • NUMBERS TO SHOW WHERE THEY ARE AND YOU DON'T COME UP WITH THEM.

  • AND YOU DON'T COME UP WITH THEM. WHO ORDERED THEM?

  • WHO ORDERED THEM? >> WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS

  • >> WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED?

  • EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED? >> WHO ORDERED TO FIND OUT IF

  • >> WHO ORDERED TO FIND OUT IF NUNEZ NUMBER WAS ON THE CALLS.

  • NUNEZ NUMBER WAS ON THE CALLS. >> IF I CAN EXPLAIN, SIR YOU

  • >> IF I CAN EXPLAIN, SIR YOU PICK AN EECHT OFVENT OF SIGNIFIC

  • PICK AN EECHT OFVENT OF SIGNIFIC AND YOU LOOK FOR SEQUENCING AND

  • AND YOU LOOK FOR SEQUENCING AND PATTERNS AND YOU LOOK FOR

  • PATTERNS AND YOU LOOK FOR NUMBERS AND TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT

  • NUMBERS AND TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND YOU BUILD

  • THE NUMBERS ARE AND YOU BUILD THE CASE.

  • THE CASE. >> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE FOUR

  • >> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE FOUR NUMBERS YOU ASK FOR TO SEE HOW

  • NUMBERS YOU ASK FOR TO SEE HOW THEY'RE CONNECTED.

  • THEY'RE CONNECTED. I UNDERSTAND THE SUBPOENA THAT

  • I UNDERSTAND THE SUBPOENA THAT YOU ISSUED.

  • YOU ISSUED. MY QUESTION, WAS IT YOU OR WAS

  • MY QUESTION, WAS IT YOU OR WAS IT CHAIRMAN SCHI IFFF THAT SAID

  • IT CHAIRMAN SCHI IFFF THAT SAID LET'S SEE IF THIS MATCHES

  • LET'S SEE IF THIS MATCHES CHAIRMAN NUNEZ'S NUMBER OR A

  • CHAIRMAN NUNEZ'S NUMBER OR A MEMBER OF THE PRESS'S NUMBER.

  • MEMBER OF THE PRESS'S NUMBER. SOMEBODY ALONG THE WAY DIDN'T

  • SOMEBODY ALONG THE WAY DIDN'T HAVE AN EPIPHANY THAT THESE

  • HAVE AN EPIPHANY THAT THESE NUMBERS MIGHT MATCH.

  • NUMBERS MIGHT MATCH. SO WHO DID IT?

  • SO WHO DID IT? WAS IT CHAIRMAN SCHIFF OR WAS IT

  • WAS IT CHAIRMAN SCHIFF OR WAS IT YOU?

  • YOU? BE CAREFUL.

  • BE CAREFUL. YOU'RE UNDER OATH.

  • YOU'RE UNDER OATH. >> I KNOW I'M UNDER OATH, SIR.

  • >> I KNOW I'M UNDER OATH, SIR. >> THEN ANSWER THE QUESTION.

  • >> THEN ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION IF

  • >> I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND HERE.

  • YOU GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. >> THE SAME SECOND WAS NOT

  • >> THE SAME SECOND WAS NOT AFFORDED TO MY WITNESS BY THE

  • AFFORDED TO MY WITNESS BY THE WAY.

  • WAY. >> WELL, I THINK HE WAS --

  • >> WELL, I THINK HE WAS -- >> WHO DECIDED TO LEAK IT?

  • >> WHO DECIDED TO LEAK IT? WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW

  • WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER THAT

  • YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHO DECIDED TO LEAK

  • QUESTION, WHO DECIDED TO LEAK IT?

  • IT? THE INFORMATION?

  • THE INFORMATION? WHY DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN A

  • WHY DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN A REPORT.

  • REPORT. >> THAT'S NOT A LEAK, SIR?

  • >> THAT'S NOT A LEAK, SIR? >> HOW DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN THE

  • >> HOW DID YOU INCLUDE IT IN THE REPORT?

  • REPORT? AFTER NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT

  • AFTER NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

  • THIS. SO TWO QUESTIONS ARE HANGING OUT

  • SO TWO QUESTIONS ARE HANGING OUT THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR AN

  • THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER FOR INCLUDING ME.

  • ANSWER FOR INCLUDING ME. WHO ORDERED IT?

  • WHO ORDERED IT? WAS IT YOU OR WAS IT CHAIRMAN C

  • WAS IT YOU OR WAS IT CHAIRMAN C SCHIFF AND WHY WAS IT INCLUDED

  • SCHIFF AND WHY WAS IT INCLUDED IN THE SCHIFF REPORT?

  • IN THE SCHIFF REPORT? >> I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE

  • >> I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DELIBERATIONS OF OUR

  • DELIBERATIONS OF OUR INVESTIGATION WITH YOU AND THE

  • INVESTIGATION WITH YOU AND THE REASON IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE

  • REASON IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT IS THE CALLS WERE

  • REPORT IS THE CALLS WERE SURROUNDING IMPORTANT EVIDENCE

  • SURROUNDING IMPORTANT EVIDENCE TO OUR INVESTIGATION AND I THINK

  • TO OUR INVESTIGATION AND I THINK THAT YOUR QUESTION IS FRANKLY

  • THAT YOUR QUESTION IS FRANKLY NOT BETTER DIRECTED NOT AT ME

  • NOT BETTER DIRECTED NOT AT ME BUT AT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE

  • BUT AT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH --

  • HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH -- >> NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO

  • >> NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME.

  • PLAY THAT GAME. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT

  • WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME.

  • GAME. YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE

  • YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

  • QUESTION. AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE MEDIA,

  • AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE MEDIA, EVERYBODY HERE WHEN YOU START

  • EVERYBODY HERE WHEN YOU START GOING INTO THE DECORUM OF THIS

  • GOING INTO THE DECORUM OF THIS HOUSE AND YOU START LOOKING AT

  • HOUSE AND YOU START LOOKING AT MEMBERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS AND

  • MEMBERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS AND REPORTERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS

  • REPORTERS TELEPHONE NUMBERS WHICH THEY OUGHT TO BE SCARED

  • WHICH THEY OUGHT TO BE SCARED ABOUT.

  • ABOUT. YOU TOOK A SUBPOENA FOR FOUR AND

  • YOU TOOK A SUBPOENA FOR FOUR AND THEN YOU DECIDED TO PLAY MATCH

  • THEN YOU DECIDED TO PLAY MATCH GAME.

  • GAME. YOU FOUND NUMBERS THAT YOU

  • YOU FOUND NUMBERS THAT YOU THOUGHT -- SOME OF THEM DIDN'T

  • THOUGHT -- SOME OF THEM DIDN'T EXIST BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED THEY

  • EXIST BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED THEY WERE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE BUDGET

  • WERE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE BUDGET OFFICE AND THEY WERE NOT.

  • OFFICE AND THEY WERE NOT. SO WE'RE THROWING STORIES OUT

  • SO WE'RE THROWING STORIES OUT THERE.

  • THERE. SO I GO BACK TO MY QUESTION, ARE

  • SO I GO BACK TO MY QUESTION, ARE YOU GOING TO GO ON RECORD IN

  • YOU GOING TO GO ON RECORD IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY HERE TODAY

  • FRONT OF EVERYBODY HERE TODAY AND SAY YOU WILL NOT TELL WHO

  • AND SAY YOU WILL NOT TELL WHO ORDERED THIS?

  • ORDERED THIS? YOU OR MR. SCHIFF.

  • YOU OR MR. SCHIFF. >> I'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL HOW

  • >> I'M NOT GOING TO REVEAL HOW WE CONDUCTED THIS INVESTIGATION.

  • WE CONDUCTED THIS INVESTIGATION. >> AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE

  • >> AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THIS ENTIRE THING.

  • HAVE WITH THIS ENTIRE THING. MR. SCHIFF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

  • MR. SCHIFF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. I'M DONE WITH YOU FOR RIGHT NOW.

  • I'M DONE WITH YOU FOR RIGHT NOW. WE'RE DONE.

  • WE'RE DONE. YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE

  • YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

  • QUESTION. YOU'RE NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT

  • YOU'RE NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THIS ANSWER BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHO

YOU'RE CHAIRMAN COULD BE HERE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THIS.

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