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  • NEWS THAN ANY OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD.

  • ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD. >>> TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME

  • >>> TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME OUSTED U.S. AMBASSADOR MARIE

  • OUSTED U.S. AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH TOLD HER SIDE OF THE

  • YOVANOVITCH TOLD HER SIDE OF THE STORY PUBLICLY.

  • STORY PUBLICLY. LAWMAKERS AND LEGAL COUNSEL BOTH

  • LAWMAKERS AND LEGAL COUNSEL BOTH SIDES ATTEMPTED TO PAINT A

  • SIDES ATTEMPTED TO PAINT A PICTURE.

  • PICTURE. >> GETTING RID OF AMBASSADOR

  • >> GETTING RID OF AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH HELPED SET THE STAGE

  • YOVANOVITCH HELPED SET THE STAGE FOR AN IRREGULAR CHANNEL THAT

  • FOR AN IRREGULAR CHANNEL THAT COULD SET THE PRECEDENT FOR TWO

  • COULD SET THE PRECEDENT FOR TWO PRESIDENTS.

  • PRESIDENTS. THE 2016 CONSPIRACY THEORY AND,

  • THE 2016 CONSPIRACY THEORY AND, MOST IMPORTANT, AN INVESTIGATION

  • MOST IMPORTANT, AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE 2020 POLITICAL OPPONENT

  • INTO THE 2020 POLITICAL OPPONENT HE APPARENTLY FEARED MOST, JOE

  • HE APPARENTLY FEARED MOST, JOE BIDEN.

  • BIDEN. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT THEIR

  • THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT THEIR PRESIDENT TO USE THE AUTHORITY

  • PRESIDENT TO USE THE AUTHORITY THEY GRANT HIM IN THE SERVICE OF

  • THEY GRANT HIM IN THE SERVICE OF THE NATION, NOT TO DESTROY

  • THE NATION, NOT TO DESTROY OTHERS BUT TO ADVANCE HIS

  • OTHERS BUT TO ADVANCE HIS PERSONAL OR POLITICAL INTERESTS.

  • PERSONAL OR POLITICAL INTERESTS. IN FACT, DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN

  • IN FACT, DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN VOWING TO OUST PRESIDENT TRUMP

  • VOWING TO OUST PRESIDENT TRUMP SINCE THE DAY HE WAS ELECTED.

  • SINCE THE DAY HE WAS ELECTED. SO AMERICANS CAN RIGHTLY SUSPECT

  • SO AMERICANS CAN RIGHTLY SUSPECT THAT HIS PHONE CALL WITH

  • THAT HIS PHONE CALL WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY WAS USED AS

  • PRESIDENT ZELENSKY WAS USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO

  • AN EXCUSE FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO FULFILL THEIR WATERGATE

  • FULFILL THEIR WATERGATE FANTASIES.

  • FANTASIES. >> LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, I ENTERED

  • >> LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, I ENTERED THE FOREIGN SERVICE

  • THE FOREIGN SERVICE UNDERSTANDING THAT MY JOB WAS TO

  • UNDERSTANDING THAT MY JOB WAS TO IMPLEMENT THE FOREIGN POLICY

  • IMPLEMENT THE FOREIGN POLICY INTERESTS OF THIS NATION AS

  • INTERESTS OF THIS NATION AS DEFINED BY THE PRESIDENT AND

  • DEFINED BY THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS AND TO DO SO REGARDLESS

  • CONGRESS AND TO DO SO REGARDLESS OF WHICH PERSON OR PARTY WAS IN

  • OF WHICH PERSON OR PARTY WAS IN POWER.

  • POWER. I HAVE NO AGENDA OTHER THAN TO

  • I HAVE NO AGENDA OTHER THAN TO PURSUE OUR STATE THE FOREIGN

  • PURSUE OUR STATE THE FOREIGN POLICY GOALS.

  • POLICY GOALS. THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT

  • THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT ASK ME TO HELP THE CLINTON

  • ASK ME TO HELP THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN OR HARM THE TRUMP

  • CAMPAIGN OR HARM THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, NOR WOULD I HAVE TAKEN

  • CAMPAIGN, NOR WOULD I HAVE TAKEN ANY SUCH STEPS IF THEY HAD.

  • ANY SUCH STEPS IF THEY HAD. PARTNER

  • PARTNER PARTISANSHIP OF THIS TYPE IS NOT

  • PARTISANSHIP OF THIS TYPE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH A CAREER FOREIGN

  • COMPATIBLE WITH A CAREER FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICER.

  • SERVICE OFFICER. WITH RESPECT TO MAYOR GIULIANI,

  • WITH RESPECT TO MAYOR GIULIANI, I HAVE ONLY HAD MINIMUM CONTACT

  • I HAVE ONLY HAD MINIMUM CONTACT WITH HIM, A TOTAL OF THREE.

  • WITH HIM, A TOTAL OF THREE. NONE RELATED TO THE EVENTS AT

  • NONE RELATED TO THE EVENTS AT ISSUE.

  • ISSUE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND

  • I DO NOT UNDERSTAND MR. GIULIANI'S MOTIVES FOR

  • MR. GIULIANI'S MOTIVES FOR ATTACKING ME NOR I CAN OFFER AN

  • ATTACKING ME NOR I CAN OFFER AN OPINION ON WHETHER HE BELIEVES

  • OPINION ON WHETHER HE BELIEVES THE ALLEGATIONS HE SPREAD ABOUT

  • THE ALLEGATIONS HE SPREAD ABOUT ME.

  • ME. CLEARLY NO ONE AT THE STATE

  • CLEARLY NO ONE AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT DID.

  • DEPARTMENT DID. WHAT I CAN SAY IS MR. GIULIANI

  • WHAT I CAN SAY IS MR. GIULIANI SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THOSE CLAIMS

  • SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THOSE CLAIMS WERE SUSPECT COMING AS THEY

  • WERE SUSPECT COMING AS THEY REPORTEDLY DID COMING FROM

  • REPORTEDLY DID COMING FROM QUESTIONS WITH QUESTIONABLE

  • QUESTIONS WITH QUESTIONABLE MOTIVES AND REASONS TO BELIEVE

  • MOTIVES AND REASONS TO BELIEVE THEIR POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL

  • THEIR POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL AMBITIONS WOULD BE STYMIED BY

  • AMBITIONS WOULD BE STYMIED BY OUR ANTI-CORRUPTION POLICY IN

  • OUR ANTI-CORRUPTION POLICY IN UKRAINE.

  • UKRAINE. OUR UKRAINE POLICY HAS BEEN

  • OUR UKRAINE POLICY HAS BEEN THROWN INTO DISARRAY AND SHADY

  • THROWN INTO DISARRAY AND SHADY INTERESTS THE WORLD OVER HAVE

  • INTERESTS THE WORLD OVER HAVE LEARNED HOW LITTLE IT TAKES TO

  • LEARNED HOW LITTLE IT TAKES TO REMOVE AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR

  • REMOVE AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR WHO DOES NOT GIVE THEM WHAT THEY

  • WHO DOES NOT GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT.

  • WANT. >> DID ANYONE AT THE STATE

  • >> DID ANYONE AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT EVER EXPRESS CONCERNS

  • DEPARTMENT EVER EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR JOB PERFORMANCE?

  • ABOUT YOUR JOB PERFORMANCE? >> NO.

  • >> NO. >> NOW, DURING THIS CONVERSATION

  • >> NOW, DURING THIS CONVERSATION DID THE DEPUTY SECRETARY TELL

  • DID THE DEPUTY SECRETARY TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR FUTURE AS THE

  • YOU ABOUT YOUR FUTURE AS THE AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE?

  • AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE? >> WELL, HE TOLD ME I NEEDED TO

  • >> WELL, HE TOLD ME I NEEDED TO LEAVE.

  • LEAVE. >> WHAT DID HE SAY?

  • >> WHAT DID HE SAY? >> THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND

  • >> THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, BUT ULTIMATELY HE SAID

  • FORTH, BUT ULTIMATELY HE SAID THE WORDS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY

  • THE WORDS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICER

  • FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICER UNDERSTANDS, THE PRESIDENT HAS

  • UNDERSTANDS, THE PRESIDENT HAS LOST CONFIDENCE IN YOU.

  • LOST CONFIDENCE IN YOU. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A TERRIBLE

  • THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A TERRIBLE THING TO HEAR.

  • THING TO HEAR. AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I

  • AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I HAVE TO GO THEN.

  • GUESS I HAVE TO GO THEN. BUT NO -- NO REAL REASON WAS

  • BUT NO -- NO REAL REASON WAS OFFERED AS TO WHY I HAD TO LEAVE

  • OFFERED AS TO WHY I HAD TO LEAVE AND WHY IT WAS BEING DONE IN

  • AND WHY IT WAS BEING DONE IN SUCH A MANNER.

  • SUCH A MANNER. >> DID YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION

  • >> DID YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAD

  • THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAD LOST CONFIDENCE IN YOU?

  • LOST CONFIDENCE IN YOU? >> NO.

  • >> NO. >> AND WERE YOU PROVIDED ANY

  • >> AND WERE YOU PROVIDED ANY REASON WHY THE PRESIDENT LOST

  • REASON WHY THE PRESIDENT LOST CONFIDENCE IN YOU?

  • CONFIDENCE IN YOU? >> NO.

  • >> NO. >> IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT

  • >> IN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD LEFT UKRAINE BY THE

  • THAT YOU HAD LEFT UKRAINE BY THE TIME OF THE JULY 25th CALL

  • TIME OF THE JULY 25th CALL BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND

  • BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT ZELENSKY, WHEN WAS THE

  • PRESIDENT ZELENSKY, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU SAW THE CALL

  • FIRST TIME THAT YOU SAW THE CALL RECORD FOR THIS PHONE CALL?

  • RECORD FOR THIS PHONE CALL? >> WHEN IT WAS RELEASED PUBLICLY

  • >> WHEN IT WAS RELEASED PUBLICLY AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, I

  • AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE.

  • BELIEVE. >> AND PRIOR TO READING THAT

  • >> AND PRIOR TO READING THAT CALL RECORD, WERE YOU AWARE THAT

  • CALL RECORD, WERE YOU AWARE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD SPECIFICALLY

  • PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD SPECIFICALLY MADE REFERENCE TO YOU IN THAT

  • MADE REFERENCE TO YOU IN THAT CALL?

  • CALL? >> NO.

  • >> NO. >> WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO

  • >> WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO LEARNING THAT?

  • LEARNING THAT? >> I WAS SHOCKED.

  • >> I WAS SHOCKED. ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED.

  • ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED. AND DEVASTATED, FRANKLY.

  • AND DEVASTATED, FRANKLY. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY

  • >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DEVASTATED?

  • DEVASTATED? >> I WAS SHOCKED AND DEVASTATED

  • >> I WAS SHOCKED AND DEVASTATED THAT I WOULD FEATURE IN A PHONE

  • THAT I WOULD FEATURE IN A PHONE CALL BETWEEN TWO HEADS OF STATE

  • CALL BETWEEN TWO HEADS OF STATE IN SUCH A MANNER, WHERE

  • IN SUCH A MANNER, WHERE PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID I WAS BAD

  • PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID I WAS BAD NEWS TO ANOTHER WORLD LEADER AND

  • NEWS TO ANOTHER WORLD LEADER AND THAT I WOULD BE GOING THROUGH

  • THAT I WOULD BE GOING THROUGH THINGS.

  • THINGS. SO, I WAS -- IT WAS A TERRIBLE

  • SO, I WAS -- IT WAS A TERRIBLE MOMENT.

  • MOMENT. A PERSON WHO SAW ME ACTUALLY

  • A PERSON WHO SAW ME ACTUALLY READING THE TRANSCRIPT SAID THAT

  • READING THE TRANSCRIPT SAID THAT THE COLOR DRAINED MY FACE.

  • THE COLOR DRAINED MY FACE. I THINK I EVEN HAD A PHYSICAL

  • I THINK I EVEN HAD A PHYSICAL REACTION.

  • REACTION. >> THE NEXT EXCERPT WHEN THE

  • >> THE NEXT EXCERPT WHEN THE PRESIDENT REFERENCES YOU WAS A

  • PRESIDENT REFERENCES YOU WAS A SHOT ONE, BUT HE SAID, WELL,

  • SHOT ONE, BUT HE SAID, WELL, SHE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME

  • SHE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS.

  • THINGS. WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN

  • WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD PRESIDENT

  • PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD PRESIDENT ZELENSKY AND YOU READ THAT YOU

  • ZELENSKY AND YOU READ THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME

  • WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS?

  • THINGS? >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK,

  • >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK, BUT I WAS VERY CONCERNED.

  • BUT I WAS VERY CONCERNED. >> WHAT WERE YOU CONCERNED

  • >> WHAT WERE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT?

  • ABOUT? >> SHE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH

  • >> SHE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME THINGS.

  • SOME THINGS. IT DIDN'T SOUND GOOD.

  • IT DIDN'T SOUND GOOD. IT SOUNDED LIKE A THREAT.

  • IT SOUNDED LIKE A THREAT. >> AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH, AS WE

  • >> AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH, AS WE SIT HERE TESTIFYING, THE

  • SIT HERE TESTIFYING, THE PRESIDENT IS ATTACKING YOU ON

  • PRESIDENT IS ATTACKING YOU ON TWITTER.

  • TWITTER. AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A

  • AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

  • CHANCE TO RESPOND. I'LL READ PART OF HIS TWEETS.

  • I'LL READ PART OF HIS TWEETS. EVERYWHERE MARIE YOVANOVITCH

  • EVERYWHERE MARIE YOVANOVITCH WENT TURNED BAD.

  • WENT TURNED BAD. SHE STARTED OUT IN SOMALIA.

  • SHE STARTED OUT IN SOMALIA. HOW DID THAT GO?

  • HOW DID THAT GO? HE GOES ON TO SAY, LATER IN THE

  • HE GOES ON TO SAY, LATER IN THE TWEET IS THE U.S. PRESIDENT HAS

  • TWEET IS THE U.S. PRESIDENT HAS THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO APPOINT

  • THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO APPOINT AMBASSADORS.

  • AMBASSADORS. FIRST OF ALL, AMBASSADOR

  • FIRST OF ALL, AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH, THE SENATE HAS A

  • YOVANOVITCH, THE SENATE HAS A CHANCE TO CONFIRM OR DENY AN

  • CHANCE TO CONFIRM OR DENY AN AMBASSADOR, DO TLE NOT?

  • AMBASSADOR, DO TLE NOT? >> YES, ADVISE AND CONSENT.

  • >> YES, ADVISE AND CONSENT. >> WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO

  • >> WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE PRESIDENT'S

  • RESPOND TO THE PRESIDENT'S ATTACK THAT EVERYWHERE YOU WENT

  • ATTACK THAT EVERYWHERE YOU WENT TURNED BAD?

  • TURNED BAD? >> WELL, I -- I MEAN, I -- I

  • >> WELL, I -- I MEAN, I -- I DON'T THINK I HAVE SUCH POWERS,

  • DON'T THINK I HAVE SUCH POWERS, NOT IN MOGADISHU, SOMALIA AND IN

  • NOT IN MOGADISHU, SOMALIA AND IN OTHER PLACES.

  • OTHER PLACES. I ACTUALLY THINK WHERE I'VE

  • I ACTUALLY THINK WHERE I'VE SERVED OVER THE YEARS, I AND

  • SERVED OVER THE YEARS, I AND OTHERS HAVE DEMONSTRABLY MADE

  • OTHERS HAVE DEMONSTRABLY MADE THINGS BETTER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE

  • THINGS BETTER, YOU KNOW, FOR THE U.S. AS WELL AS FOR THE

  • U.S. AS WELL AS FOR THE COUNTRIES THAT I'VE SERVED IN.

  • COUNTRIES THAT I'VE SERVED IN. UKRAINE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE

  • UKRAINE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THERE ARE HUGE CHALLENGES,

  • THERE ARE HUGE CHALLENGES, INCLUDING ON THE ISSUE WE'RE

  • INCLUDING ON THE ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY OF CORRUPTION.

  • DISCUSSING TODAY OF CORRUPTION. HUGE CHALLENGES.

  • HUGE CHALLENGES. BUT THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF

  • BUT THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS SINCE 2014, INCLUDING

  • PROGRESS SINCE 2014, INCLUDING IN THE YEARS THAT I WAS THERE.

  • IN THE YEARS THAT I WAS THERE. AND I THINK, IN PART, I MEAN,

  • AND I THINK, IN PART, I MEAN, UKRAINIAN PEOPLE GET THE MOST --

  • UKRAINIAN PEOPLE GET THE MOST -- THE MOST CREDIT FOR THAT.

  • THE MOST CREDIT FOR THAT. BUT A PART OF THAT CREDIT GOES

  • BUT A PART OF THAT CREDIT GOES TO THE WORK OF THE UNITED STATES

  • >> I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW,

  • >> I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, AMBASSADOR, THAT SOME OF US HERE

  • AMBASSADOR, THAT SOME OF US HERE TAKE WITNESS INTIMIDATION VERY,

  • TAKE WITNESS INTIMIDATION VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.

  • VERY SERIOUSLY. >> DO YOU THINK PART OF MAKING

  • >> DO YOU THINK PART OF MAKING THE UKRAINIAN INTELLIGENCE TO DO

  • THE UKRAINIAN INTELLIGENCE TO DO THINGS COUNTER TO U.S.

  • THINGS COUNTER TO U.S. INTERESTS?

  • INTERESTS? I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT

  • I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT THE UKRAINIAN ESTABLISHMENT

  • THE UKRAINIAN ESTABLISHMENT HOPED.

  • HOPED. I THINK THAT IN IN ADDITION

  • I THINK THAT IN IN ADDITION THERE WERE AMERICANS, THESE TWO

  • THERE WERE AMERICANS, THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS, WHO WERE WORKING

  • INDIVIDUALS, WHO WERE WORKING WITH MAYOR GIULIANI, MR. PARNAS

  • WITH MAYOR GIULIANI, MR. PARNAS AND MR. FRUMAN RECENTLY INDICTED

  • AND MR. FRUMAN RECENTLY INDICTED BY THE FEDERAL DISTRICT OF NEW

  • BY THE FEDERAL DISTRICT OF NEW YORK WHO INDICATED THAT THEY

  • YORK WHO INDICATED THAT THEY WANTED TO CHANGE OUT THE

  • WANTED TO CHANGE OUT THE AMBASSADOR AND I THINK THEY MUST

  • AMBASSADOR AND I THINK THEY MUST HAVE HAD SOME REASON FOR THAT.

  • HAVE HAD SOME REASON FOR THAT. >> YOU CERTAINLY CAN UNDERSTAND

  • >> YOU CERTAINLY CAN UNDERSTAND HAS THE PRESIDENT AWARE OF THE

  • HAS THE PRESIDENT AWARE OF THE MINISTER IN A STATEMENT AWARE OF

  • MINISTER IN A STATEMENT AWARE OF WHAT MR. POROSHENKO WAS UP TO

  • WHAT MR. POROSHENKO WAS UP TO AND MR. PARNAS AND REASONABLE

  • AND MR. PARNAS AND REASONABLE BASIS TO WONDER WHETHER THERE

  • BASIS TO WONDER WHETHER THERE ARE INFLUENTIAL ELEMENTS TO

  • ARE INFLUENTIAL ELEMENTS TO UKRAINIAN ESTABLISHMENT THAT

  • UKRAINIAN ESTABLISHMENT THAT WERE OUT TO GET THE PRESIDENT?

  • WERE OUT TO GET THE PRESIDENT? >> I -- YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I MEAN,

  • >> I -- YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT PRESIDENT