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  • so you know I was just thinking you two have been talking about the film

  • premiered in September

  • and that's a long time to to talk about

  • these to roll to do you ever feel like you're going into sorta

  • wrote never right never no I never feel now

  • no Naku and that's the first time I've been asked that question

  • yeah died and didn't know what

  • just let me fight nah let you speak for

  • ok thanks kinda be idea is its Randy VV other film or a row that you

  • you can talk about to this extent that she for Phil's

  • part to the purpose so why we did it in the first place which is to get the

  • story to his broader audience as possible

  • and so while summer that is

  • the summer the timing is a bit odd not least tonight but you know it's summer

  • the

  • is the repetitive in his nature but weirdly you don't need you don't regret

  • it don't you

  • the churning out something the if it's felt

  • it doesn't matter what you say how many times he said if it really matters then

  • it comes across and that's certainly the case with maturing story

  • on I've opened so yeah

  • I mean its it's gonna be nice to talk less about after the weekend but

  • who I when I was today fun is what we have she see a clip for the film ago

  • that was it that's why we're doing this is what we're talking about it it's just

  • work we did on the day

  • and that's very odd because he said he was there is this Aitken gap between

  • the end but with the day's a production and little and then seeing it let alone

  • then

  • talking about it again and again in this in this context did you wrap up

  • production on it

  • last november yet December the first so so so I think yeah

  • ok to me his name yeah right step a long time ago me

  • I with Alan Turing it did you grow up knowing much about him

  • about landing sent to what he went through

  • not really I mean I I was aware of him through a.m.

  • the he went was play breaking the code which though jacki starting

  • I'm is sublimely and he was the I saw the televised version of that play

  • a while ago I mean that we must have been 92

  • running in a district 8 anything about it until we started yet

  • thank you I V CAST insight

  • the US you read the article in The Guardian about guiding which would have

  • been about 2009

  • which is the best time night had to them well tell me what with this article in

  • The Guardian

  • it was basically his story and it was one of the push is trying to impart

  • before he finally was a and it was sort of saying

  • his part in the second world war two break Nick MacLeod and

  • what happened to him what the British government did ten and I remember

  • reading and being completely shocked

  • an angry I didn't know who he was when he done in what has been done to him

  • and particularly as somebody who is a bit of a history buff you know I II and

  • particularly that period I really enjoyed reading about that period how

  • I'd

  • missed it completely and and I think it's the same unit the same

  • reaction that people have when they come to fill in when they do find a out into

  • the first time you can't help but be angry

  • that to a large extent his his name was

  • was last not too much petitions scientist but to people outside

  • arena what drew you to agreeing to do it are

  • you know going for it I think it really was what your everybody to the project

  • which was just that

  • cents that there had been a great injustice if you could possibly get

  • beyond ensuring story out that too

  • a wider public then then we'll want to be apart trying to do that

  • you know and I think that's why when you look at this cost it's an extraordinary

  • cost about $2 is

  • who are coming in for a very small little bit because they want to be a

  • part of that so it was it was really that

  • and then you know i i completely lucky for me that it was also a

  • an incredibly interesting character and

  • somebody's USA 7 inspiring initially a pioneer in her own right

  • and she I was thinking you know everyone around him kinda was obviously her

  • specially because she was just

  • forging ahead she was as brilliant mathematician who with

  • recommended to that post booth yet her actual story a slightly different than

  • the one in the film

  • I'm upset really annoying thing we go unnoticed is it the documentary and I

  • have to remember this is a documentary so I kept going in there to ground the

  • right again even if this is a

  • this isn't quite right and he's like knowing I i take 10 more pages to

  • explain that way but i wasnt

  • okay but yes she was actually recommend to the post by her Oxford perfect

  • professor

  • so is it was she'd got a double fast from Oxford

  • and a and he'd he said right you need her

  • actually and it still took a two years she went in initially as a and

  • secretary and it took a two-year even though she didn't broach and they

  • wouldn't accept that she should be in the room

  • it to get two years to get in there and then when she was in the retreat

  • shipping

  • should've been an she was paid a fraction what the men will pay

  • so eventually all the guys can appoint okay we're trying to be more money

  • so they said that she was a linguist even though she couldn't speak any other

  • language apartment

  • so that they can get a tiny bit the pay rise just not that not gonna

  • rights effect do you feel like there is this expectation

  • these featured movies that is unrealistic a

  • you know this this is our history lesson seems to be off and I think it is

  • it also undermines intelligence voices I think people that we can enough now is

  • is a populace going to see films about topics that reality to know

  • you know that these are the they stretch credibility they complete timelines they

  • complete characters sometimes people know they're not going to watch

  • a solid truth from start to finish & Noble you know

  • based on true events this is what its its at nine

  • I don't any film i've seen love this a look that does it say that

  • no fan film is a film is a two-hour piece of material

  • the tail takes on a narrative journey I think it's what more days drama as

  • opposed to what is document religion and nobody's trying to pretend this is a

  • document you're trying to get to the truth

  • that national Corp something which is different from

  • absolutely every single fact being completely 2833 Picasa gonna kill you

  • know just like do you not get understand emotional the intention %uh this

  • distorted image of destruction through

  • the abstract you need a photograph a bit to understand it now you got painting

  • you get

  • lot but what gonna come us the felt like that destruction the terror the horror

  • that blood in the College in

  • E but coming off and got up to that the concert but you know there is that does

  • that rift between reality not which is

  • and thus the fascinating furs me whether that fictionalized story is a magical

  • realism or symbolism in any form other than

  • assorted pictorial reality am I think that's why we

  • we gravitate towards poems in a week we do

  • our lives maybe pros but but but art is

  • poet reason it's about extrapolating things and

  • creating a broader deepening understanding that goes further than

  • reporters yet year after year

  • it seems like film after film this is something that seems to be in Evergreen

  • you know expectation or something there's like what you're saying

  • absolutely make sense this is art yet there's a tricky

  • balance right because there's this huge expectations especially if

  • your playing

  • real people people who knew those people

  • but not whiplash boyhood

  • that three fictional films up outstanding prints and uniqueness

  • I don't think you know there's always room in their pre

  • cultural moment for both

  • I don't see that there's any more weight to one than the other

  • and as long as I think you have to be honest about you go if you want to

  • him reality then with the Android Andrew Hodges

  • biography and that is absolutely you know trying to tell the reality

  • through his point to be by the way yeah everybody in the place in case a

  • you know who knows but but no that is not what film drama

  • is for yes you're trying to tell us much the tree as you possibly can

  • but actually in two hours I mean when I said before I come up with

  • things that were true about Jane clock and say yeah but what about this i mean

  • particularly

  • equal pay for anything okay in two hours about by a pickup at ensuring

  • how do you fit the equal pay story for Joan Kroc in there

  • and it is 10 more pages and that is 10 more minutes in the film a 15 more

  • minutes and actually need to hand in its got to be

  • whenever this is an hour and 45 were two hours inside me that isn't you know I

  • mean

  • its there's a tear there is nobody to feel protecting it is an active love

  • the legacy the personal plan you the argument to the tree

  • yeah as well but you also understand the other side him

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