Placeholder Image

字幕表 動画を再生する

  • oh

  • stunning statistics is that there are more tigers in captivity in the US then there now are in the wild

  • a situation we're under the USDA regulations the cage only needs to be big enough for the animal to stand up and

  • turn around in

  • so you can only imagine the small cages that people build that are

  • actually legal you know could potential be in our backyards right now

  • Tiger crisis it didn't get to this point if

  • everybody was aware that tigers need to be protected and tigers

  • while tigers belong in asia in the wild in their natural forest

  • when you see the kinds of places these animals live you start to realize that in some cases

  • its a fate worse than death

  • hi i'm kristin bauer for the animal legal defense fund

  • my character the vampire pam on true blood

  • fends for herself just fine in her unlikely louisiana home

  • but for one wild animal in particular Louisiana

  • is the last place on earth he belongs

  • tony is a siberian bengal tiger who

  • has been living on display

  • as a tourist attraction at a truck stop outside baton rouge

  • since two thousand and one

  • in the wild tony might roam a territory of one hundred square miles

  • but for the last decade he has instead

  • lived in a concrete enclosure

  • plagued by the noise of diesel engines and the stench of gasoline

  • years of living in isolation and confinement have taken their toll on tony's

  • health

  • day after day

  • this magnificent

  • cat is taunted and harassed by tourists

  • instead of basking in the sun and hunting by night

  • tony paces his cage a sign of extreme psychological distress confining a wild animal as

  • a road side spectacle is wrong join me

  • and the animal

  • legal defense

  • in urging the state of louisiana

  • to revoke the permit that allows

  • tony to be kept at the tiger truck stop

  • a state law that violates a permit

  • designed to protect people and big cats

  • like tony

  • help us win the fight for his freedom

  • visit aldf.org/ tony thank you

  • hello and welcome to the educational forum

  • i'm your host diane sullivan

  • i have been an animal advocate

  • and a lawyer for many years

  • but i have to admit that i did not know about the plight of tigers living

  • in the united states

  • until a former student rose church called me

  • explained the problem and aced for my help

  • what i found out is that there are two issues

  • the first issue contributing to the tiger problem is what they call pay

  • to play

  • carol baskin the founder and c_e_o_ of big cat rescue

  • explains what pay to play is and its impact on tigers we track all of the

  • killings maulings and escapes by big cats on our website at bigcatrescue.org

  • and what was happening was there were so many people that were being mauled by

  • while they were paying to pet tigers or have their pictures made with tigers that u_s_d_a_

  • created

  • a...

  • requirement that you could not touch a big cat a lion tiger leopard

  • after it reached the age of twelve weeks

  • because they became too dangerous because they're wild animals they're tigers

  • right ok in the case of haley hildebrand she was a seventeen year old

  • girl it was very

  • common her area where she lived in kansas to have your picture made with a

  • tiger for your yearbook

  • and so like all these other kids had done she went to this facility

  • had her picture made with this six hundred pound tiger who killed her

  • during the photoshoot

  • as a result there was a huge outcry for a bill called hailey's act that would end the

  • uh... contact with these animals

  • u_s_d_a_ had already said that you couldn't touch them after the age of

  • twelve weeks

  • u_s_d_a_ came back and said you can't touch the cub up until the age of eight

  • weeks

  • and the reason for that is the cub doesn't have sufficient immune uh... immune

  • system to be able to deal with all of the handling

  • so what that did was it created an eight to twelve week window a one month

  • window

  • in which people can still pay to touch these tigers

  • and as long as people will pay to touch these tigers

  • breeders and dealers will breed

  • excessively to meet that demand

  • it really comes back to the public if you could just stop the public from

  • doing this

  • it would save so many lives

  • so let me make sure i have this straight i could

  • perhaps go to a mall and pay twenty dollars or maybe seventy five dollars have my

  • twenty twenty ok have my picture taken

  • with a tiger cub who is between the ages of eight weeks and twelve weeks

  • and and and then i'd would leave with this cute little picture and the memory

  • now

  • if somebody is making money out of this which i'm assuming they must be

  • otherwise why would we have this going on

  • they would have to be breeding it would seem to me a tremendous amount of tigers

  • each and every year to ensure that they have cubs

  • between the ages of eight and twelve weeks am i right about this that's

  • correct do you have any idea of how big a businesses this is we know that one

  • vendor who said that he could make over twenty thousand dollars in a single

  • weekend at the mall

  • i know another person that breeds these animals who i'd had gotten a copy of an

  • email he had sent around saying he needed two hundred cups per year

  • just to be able to have all of his photo booths stocked

  • these photo booths are just they travel around to malls they put the cubs down

  • on the floor in a cage you go in you have a picture made with the cub

  • and these cubs are being just constantly awakened and handled by the public

  • these are cubs that would spend two years or more with their mothers so the mothers

  • are being just bread to death to be able to provide these cubs for this

  • purpose and it's a horrible life for both the mother and for the cub but you

  • can imagine being

  • jostled awake every time you've tried to finally drift off to sleep these guys need

  • a lot of sleep as cubs

  • but every time somebody comes up with ten or twenty dollars to have

  • their picture made picture their jerking that cub up and making the picture with them so if

  • there is only this one month window of opportunity to have your picture taken

  • with a tiger cub

  • what happens to the tiger cub when its

  • thirteen weeks old or maybe even a year old

  • or particularly when it's full grown because we all know that a tiger cub

  • grows into a tiger and they really are not suitable house pets

  • what happens to them unfortunately we don't know in many cases where these animals

  • end up

  • the ones we do know about

  • always end up in horrible situations where they end up needing to be rescued

  • because like you somebody will take this animal in as a pet and think

  • well it was used for these photo ops and its handleable so its going to be this great

  • pet and then it gets to be a year

  • year and a half

  • and they're like two hundred pounds by then and the people are scared to death

  • of them and they can't find a place fast enough to unload their animal

  • tell me how they live that at your sanctuary what's life like

  • for a tiger there

  • i've seen some delightful pictures of tigers actually even painting to amuse

  • themselves the biggest challenge that we face is trying to meet the emotional

  • needs of these cats

  • you're talking about cats that in the wild which room

  • four hundred square miles of territory that would be their home base

  • so there's no cage that's going to be giving them a sufficient life

  • we do an awful lot of the stuff like you're talking about giving them

  • pumpkins and uh... watermelons in pools and a lot of interaction we don't do any

  • hands on interaction with the cats

  • just talking to them and

  • trying to make their lives as pleasant and as peaceful as possible

  • the bigger issue is that we need to end the abuse at its start because there aren't

  • enough sanctuaries and even if they are take their word

  • these cats just don't belong in cages

  • the biggest leading cause

  • for so many of these animals to end up in these horrific situations

  • are that people will pay to have their picture made with a cute little tiger

  • cub

  • and you can imagine

  • how

  • how much people want to do that they're soooo cute and

  • they will always justify it by saying well it's just this one time and even the

  • people seem to know that there's something inherently wrong about the

  • whole situation about why am i a able to touch this cub where's the cubs mother

  • they still manage to justify it by saying

  • this one-time won't make a difference this is something i want to do

  • this is

  • something i want to give as a gift and

  • the result is that

  • the people

  • that breed these animals will constantly be breeding more and more cubs to supply

  • that demand

  • if the public would stop than the breeding would stop and this whole thing

  • would just die out over time

  • the other major issue facing tigers in the united states

  • is that there are no federal regulations prohibiting people who want to keep

  • tigers as pets

  • pet ownership is a matter of state law and some states do not regulate the

  • keeping of tigers or other exotic animals today twenty one states allow

  • private citizens to keep a tiger as pat with as little a requirement as a

  • license or permit and some do not even require that yes that's correct and with

  • the u_s_ fish and wildlife service because there's no permitting requirement

  • there's no tracking system

  • so we really don't have a sense of how many of these tigers there are

  • out there so people can buy these tigers on craig's list or facebook

  • and you know with no training at all you basically can keep them like a

  • domestic cat the problem is after about six months old they become a huge tiger

  • and than they bascially become confined to a small cage you know living

  • in somebodys backyard or in a basement you know a situation of an apartment

  • building and you know it basically outs the actual homeowner from whatever

  • living quarters their in

  • did you ever envision yourself as going to the pet store or

  • a barn down the street or craigslist and getting a tiger not not at all

  • to me the whole concept is completely inconceivable it just

  • when i heard about this situation and how prevailant it is in the united states

  • i was just in shock and i think it took me

  • probably three or four days to really come to the realization that this is a real issue

  • and something thats really happening describe some of the backyard scenes

  • that tigers are kept in

  • well the ones that i've seen which have been mainly from rescue

  • centers where they actually have gone and rescued these backyard tigers they basically live in

  • deplorable conditions these

  • basically in just flat concrete cells that are you know no bigger than the

  • size of a parking space and it's completely legal under the regulations as they are

  • right now

  • and it's it's really sad because the tires actually pace which is something

  • that they shouldn't actually be doing and they are not given any type of

  • natural habitat so they're basically out there you know in the in a

  • concrete not out in the wild as they should be

  • pacing back and forth with

  • basically nothing to do and they're given probably not even enough meat that

  • they're supposed to have why did you get involved with trying to help with put

  • and end

  • to the problems surrounding the life of tigers in the united states i first

  • got involved working for a non-profit which was one of my pro-bono projects

  • and we're really looking at the tony the tiger situation down in louisiana and

  • doing research for that i realized that

  • you know tony was just one of maybe fifteen thousand tigers within the

  • united states and that really there is a serious problems with the laws and

  • regulations and you know as an attorney i felt like is kind of my duty to

  • step in and try to

  • solve the problem in whatever capacity i can

  • while doing research on the tiger problem

  • we spoke with individuals from a few of the animal welfare organizations about

  • their thoughts on the tiger problem

  • adam roberts is the executive vice president of born free u_s_a

  • adam has significant expertise in international wildlife trade and captive

  • wild animals and he serves on several committees including animals in

  • captivity born for u_s_a_'s is a national animal advocacy and wildlife

  • conservation organization

  • and we have offices in california in d_c_ and elsewhere

  • but we also operate a primate sanctuary down in texas

  • and our basic philosophy much like our partners in the u_k_ at born free

  • foundation

  • is to keep wildlife in the wild it's a very simple message so that were uh...

  • against the keeping of animals in captivity

  • provided that it's not

  • humane captivity it's kind of complicated because of course

  • when we have a sanctuary for primates

  • that's captivity but we try and give them

  • as naturalistic an environment as possible so that they can live out the

  • remainder of their days in peace with limited human interference in a natural

  • surrounding

  • juxtaposed against treatment of animals in circuses or when they're caught for

  • their fur or when they're killed in the wild for their parts

  • i want to talk a little bit about zooz

  • and circuses

  • and your

  • position on that

  • and ask you whether animals can really be kept humanely and safely in those

  • conditions well i think under certain circumstances you might

  • be able to i think the bottom line is that

  • the way i see the modern zoo is that it's more for the human visitor than it

  • is for the animals

  • and as long as its created that way and run that way it's not going to be a humane